After speaking with Chief Public Defenders from most of the major metropolitan areas in California, Hunter turns today’s episode to the smallest full time Public Defender Office in the state. Lael Kayfetz, Chief Public Defender in Siskiyou County California, joins the show to share her experience of leading an office in conservative, rural California. While not all the things that make her successful can easily be ported over to larger jurisdictions, there is a great many lessons to be learned from a leader who has successfully navigated this challenging political climate over an amazing 18-year career.