Are public defense unions the solution to reform?


In this episode, Hunter speaks with Sam Allison-Natale, Executive Director of the Kansas Holistic Defenders, and Bob Kolstad, a public defender in Hennepin County, Minnesota.


They’ll walk you through everything you need to know about public defense unions and the philosophy behind them. Giving you a behind-the-scenes view, you’ll learn the realities behind unions, the goals, and why they are necessary.


Then, Bob and Sam will discuss collective organizing and the ethics around it. They’ll share how they mobilize public defenders and how they get past the individualistic society of today.


With their endless enthusiasm, Bob and Sam share a refreshing vision of unity and hope.