Trust between Public Defenders and the communities they serve has been a long running theme of the show. The benefits of such a trusting relationship seem obvious, but today, Hunter spoke with Wisconsin Public Defender, Alexander Kostal, to discuss an extremely important outcome from a trusting attorney/client relationship: increased opportunity for litigation. In order to push back against the overreaches of police and prosecutors, cases need to be heard in an open court room, but what if the client does not trust you to take it that far? How do you earn back that trust? What can institutions in public defense do to try and make it easier for communities to trust Public Defenders? All this and more explored on today’s episode!